Student Suspended Over Suspected Use Of Php

[Herbster]

A teacher overheard him say that he was using PHP, and as part of our Zero-Tolerance policy against drug use, he was immediately suspended.

http://bbspot.com/News/2000/6/php_suspend.html

[thevillageinn]

heh...me too

[dbmasters]

That is a very, very old story. Still darn funny tho.

[QuickGold]

Ha!

[L.J. Myers]

That is too funny. You would think that with the level of education of the people who run the school, they just might have figured that one out. LOL

On a more serious note: Speaking as the mother of one of my daughters who had a bad drug problem for a number of years. Just goes to show how paranoid we have to be these days I suppose. Sad but true.

[dbmasters]

Well, speaking as somebody who myself had a 10(ish) year drug problem, I can say first hand that all the paranioa, lecturing, "just say no" programs and other crap won't help. Legalization of the commonly known "gateway drugs" such as marijuana will, however, help lessen the curious appeal to young people, and, those that it does not would (or could) generate massive amounts of tax revenue with which to bomb the hell out of other countries.

[ljmyers]

I think I might have to disagree dB. Alcohol is legal and the amount of alholics in this country is up there. Don't know any statistics but simply looking around tells us this. Gambling is the same way. Also with kids (teens and young people) who really aren't mature enough to have that true understanding of real life that we mature adults have... If you ask me, I think that it would really not make that much of a difference either way. I think, not in every case but in a large number of them, it simply depends on the type of personality. My other daughter hardly went near drugs and is completely against them. Even while she was a teenager. She did experiment a few times but decided that anything mind altering was not her thing. As far as bombing and tax revenue. I personally am taxed enough and although I do think war is a needed, although an unfortunate thing. You know me dB. I'm not the bombing type. LOL Hmmm...I think we are in one of our big debates again, aren't we? LOL

[dbmasters]

No debate, you're just wrong, so whatever. :P

There is more to the problem of drugs being illegal than the number of addicts. For one, some people will use regardless of legal conditions, some people are intrigued by the fact it's "against the law", some people started simply because it's pushed so hard as being "bad for you" the rebelous teen wants to try it even more.

Then, of course we have all the court time and jail space taken up by people that get caught with some piddly amount of weed...so what? should that "crime" really hold up the court systems and fill our jails so sentences are lessened for criminal s that actually belond there, no, I think not. The taxes to be made off legalizing could be absolutely enormous, people would then not be putting themselves in dangerous situations to get it, it would lessen the influence of gangs in gangland areas if they did not have that "power" and money at their disposal, it would lessen border problems so they can concentrate on things like terrorists and the people that smuggle in the BAD drugs that KILL you. Hemp is also good for a plethora of other uses that could substantially cut down on our consumption of natural resources, but we can't do that cuz "it's allegal".

It's so obvious it's stupid. People are gonna do it no matter what, the illegal nature makes it more attractive for an angst filled teen, if peeps are gonna do it, we may as well get something off of them for it.

A cigarette pack of pot could easily sell for $20, the user would be getting a "bargain", it would cost little, if any more to produce than cigarettes...which would make it about 80% taxes...HOLY CRAP!

Say bye bye to that deficit pretty quickly.

[L.J. Myers]

dB...I'm not ignoring ya darlin'. I get back with you later today with a reply. I have a busy morning. :)

[dbmasters]

That's fine, not looking for a reply, just spouting off.

[L.J. Myers]

I do think there is much more to the problem than just legal or illegal. (((Things like mom and dad so busy working 16 hour days to achieve the "American Dream" and not paying close enough attention and the play station along with the movie channels on the satellite dish are practically raising this child teaching the wrongs and rights of life. A single mom having to work endless hours just to pay the rent while having no real means of back up support to help her with dollars or the kids and dad has flown the coop with a newer model so to speak. Terrible things you go through as a child and using drugs as an out to deal with it. A good example is mom and dad practically raising there child doing it around the child and saying it's ok. So much more than that even.))) And I apologize up front if I have offended any parents out there. I think that the larger percentage of us do the best we can trying to raise our children in today's society. But I do still think that making drugs legal will just make it even yet easier to get and to become addicted to. Kind of like the occasional doctor who carelessy prescribes the narcotic to his patient who is becoming more addicted without taking the time to realize what is actually going on because he is so busy rushing in and out of rooms, patient to patient to be able to see enough patients that week to pay for that months installment of overly priced malpractice insurance. Getting back on track though. Even if we were to legalize certain drugs. Where does it end? At what point do we say enough is enough and stand up and begin to fight the problem form the roots up instead of trying to simply trim the branches to keep it from reaching a newer and larger height. The drug problems in my opinion stems from a screwed up moral and value system consisting of things as I mentioned in the ((-)) above. Not to say that you don't have your hits and misses when an innocent nieve teen falls victim to drugs or an adult who is simply going through an extremely difficult time possibly and would other wise know better. But the larger part of it "I" think comes from the screwed up values that seem to be growing in out society.

As for the taxes and overcrowded jails. Let's say you had no real family or home and you spent 2 years in jail with where you had cable t.v., movie night, weight rooms, great "free" medical care and three square meals a day. When you get out and have to actually work to be able to have these things not even being able to achieve half of them on minimum wage...what's the harm in selling a few drugs or robbing a store? At least if you get caught you will be able to live the life you have become accustom to again. If the prisoners had to actually work in the gardens to grow their own food. Make their own clothes, do without the cable t.v. and don't even get me started on the weight rooms which only make them tougher to fight more. Daily Gymnastics and arobics will do for physical exercise and they should be made to do them. Nothing better in my mind than a little physical exercise to work off anger, depression and frustrations. Some people have to get to a certain level of mental strength and even a little mental anger to lift and build up with weights. The last thing we need is mental strength and anger added to the mental state that some prisoners already have. Adding the physical strength that comes with it? Obviously not a good idea. These people are in prison. Lets make it a prison again. Human rights? I do not think by far there should be any mistreatment or with holding medical treatment along with the neccesities of life. But stop allowing the extras. Our forefathers did not have cable and weights and all the stuff some of our prisoners have and they weren't in prison. They got along just fine. If the prisons were actually prisons instead of half way houses with a lock on the door the ex-cons would work alot harder to stay out of them. Result: that many fewer prisoners in our jails. A very larger portion of the prison population are repeat offenders. Less prisoners, less taxes. -OR- More tax money to assist with the other problems you have mentioned.

You wrote..."The taxes to be made off legalizing could be absolutely enormous, people would then not be putting themselves in dangerous situations to get it, it would lessen the influence of gangs in gangland areas if they did not have that "power" and money at their disposal, it would lessen border problems so they can concentrate on things like terrorists and the people that smuggle in the BAD drugs that KILL you. Hemp is also good for a plethora of other uses that could substantially cut down on our consumption of natural resources, but we can't do that cuz "it's allegal"."

I say for the alcohol that is legal. We have to do it because we are addicted and can't stop and all we have to do to get it is walk in any store and buy it. No difference really. Even if you did legalize certain drugs and collected taxes from them, there will always be the bad guys out there who create the same types of problems with different senarios. Viewing pot from a medical stand point and legalizing for that purpose only? I do think that this could very possibly be done with benefits. But only under very controlled conditions much like any narcotics.

Teens, they are always going to be attracted to things which they can use to rebel. Legal or not. Why say to them "It's o.k. if you use a mind altering drug when you turn 21. No problem. That way you don't have to deal with what is really going on in your life and find more positive ways to handle it." Loose a job? Just go get high which will make you do something really stupid that you can regret the next day. Or which may end you up divorced or in jail. Yes, this happens anyway. But why make it "O.K." Why not make the statement to them to stay clear headed and worry a bit about it which will make you think and find alternatives to rectify the problem. My thinking is that making certain drugs legal is the first step to saying... "it's o.k." Most teens and young adults are very impressionable and take things very much to heart. This would really send that message to them.

Ohhhhhhhh...such a loooong entry. LOL Hope Joe doesn't mind. hehe

[L.J. Myers]

P.S. I am soooooooooooooooooooooo NOT wrong. LOLOL

[dbmasters]

That is a very narrow view of the real problem of drugs, the junkie on the street isn't the worst part of the problem, starting with the junkie is like trying to control an insect problem with a fly swatter. Additionally, if that junkie is hurting nobody else and is not living off the system, nobody has any business telling them what they can and cannot do. As much as you may disagree with what they are doing to themselves, it's their right to do it.

I know very, very well, from a very high ranking level of the drug trafficing world who is involved at every level of the game, their strengths, weaknesses and motivations. I can't buy in to the low-level, narrow view of the problem. Your experience (or the experience you have through your daughter) is, thankfully, very, very limited to the very low end of the chain of users and therefore have a very skewed view of the scene as a whole.

While I appreciate the overall sentiment of saving the addicts, it willnever work as a new one is born every day.

I thank God every day that I was one of the people I knew at that time that escaped alive...because most didn't. And even moreso that I turned around, got healthy and pulled my way out of that lifestyle.

I do, however, completely agree with the lack of parenting and the cushy prisons comments you made...that said, my parent will always there for me, very involved, positive and encouraging parents...didn't stop me...

Anyway, I am done with this discussion, it's a waste of time beyond this.

[ljmyers]

OK....well, I could have taken a much broader view but this is a forum and taking up all the room it would have needed isn't such a great idea. My apologies if I ruffled any feathers. :)