Voting For Kerry?

[Joe]

Even if you're a STAUNCH democrat, HATE "W" - watch this video. It'll make you think twice - but be honest, watch the whole thing!

Anyone voting for Kerry needs to at least see this video.
Think before you throw your votes away to either party.

http://media1.stream2you.com/rnc/072304v2.wmv

[dbmasters]

I wouldn't vote for Kerry if he was the only candidate.

Kerry is the candidate for everyone, regardless of where you stand on which issue, he agrees at some point in his career. He wants our daughters to have the morning after pill and abortions without parental consent, he votes to stop every tax cut, repeal every existing tax cut, votes to go to war then votes to stop funding it...he's a bad, inconsistent, unpredicitble person to dare have in the White House.

I won't even start on his running mate...argh...

[ShadowLab]

This election is going to be a total coin toss as far as I'm concerned. There's a total lack of viable candidates. As much as I hate Dubya for rushing us to war, there's no way in hell that I'd vote for Kerry.

He's too transparent and any person that hasn't been sheltered their entire lives will see right through him as well. I'd vote for his wife before I voted for him. At least she has balls and speaks her mind...as opposed to her husband that just speaks what we need to hear.

Kerry is that annoying kid that no one liked as a child and would do or say anything just to be your friend. So in closing I'll say that if Kerry gives me his lunch money maybe I'll reconsider, but until then I'll stick with crooked politician A versus crooked politician B.

[dbmasters]

Yeah, I hear ya, I am not a huge Bush "fan" but I'll take him over Kerry any day of the week. Changing Presidents in the middle of this war (which Is till think was necessary) would be a horrible mistake, let Bush clean up the mess.

Sadly tho, you are right, it's a coin toss and that spoiled brat bleeding heart liberal just might pull it out with his pretty-boy ambulance-chacing running mate...May God help us...

[bluesguy]

Likewise.. the last Dem who got in promised a tax cut and ended up raising taxes instead ;)

[eugene]

Wow, I now have video proof to back up my position. Too bad none of my left-leaning friends would never watch it.

[ljmyers]

I'm not a highly politcal type of person but I have to mimic everything said about Kerry. Always said he was wishy washy. But I have to comment the war itself. There is one thing about it that really bothers me. When we were gearing up for war and the main reason being that Sadam was who he was and had the power he had, not to mention the unspeakable things he did to his own people. All of the people who supported the war and all of the patriotic goings on surrounding it, did these people(supporters) really think that it was going to be a simple in and out? Did they not realize that war and taking down Sadam with intention of replacing his government with a more democratic one; did they not realize this was going to be a major task and that it would take longer than a few months and more money? All the patriotic support when it began and it falls by the way side just as quickly as it began. Yes this big investigation concluded all the facts about initial reports being incorrect and such but isn't the world a little bit better and safer place because of the war and what it has accomplished? All those temporary patriotic supporters are overlooking a few things I think.

[Joe]

My father in law compares them to A&P Catholics - they only go to church for Ashes and Pentacost.

:)

[dbmasters]

That war would have lasted no more than a month if Bush would have not had half the gov't turn their backs on him just because we didn't find WMD's right away...

leftie bastards...like that made him any less dangerous of a person...hell yeah he had them, Reagan sold them to him...

[ljmyers]

Poeple quickly forget that even though there were no WMD found he was still very dangerous and needed to be dealt with.

[dbmasters]

people tend to quickly forget a lot...

The main question for me was if it was really our place to deal with him tho. I am glad he is out of power, he was a madman and his sons were worse based on what I have heard and read (which could easily have been tainted), however, the US backed his assasination of the previous gov't, then sold him arms and pretty much put him in power...seems sorta odd we had to take him out and surrounding gov't wouldn't...

[ljmyers]

I suppose my most honest answer to "if it was really our place" is that somebody had to, regardless of who it was. Simplistic of me I know but we had the resources to do it so why not? And why anyone would sell arms to such a discusting low life like sadam is beyond me. You know that our government knew the kinds of things he was doing when the arms were sold to him. That's just shameful.

[eugene]

Curiousity question: Does cyclosarin a.k.a. CMPF, cyclosin, O-Cyclohexyl methylphosphonofluoridate, Cyclohexyl methylphosphonofluoridate, or Methyl cyclohexylfluorophosphonate constitute a WMD?
I know that it is a liquid organophosphate nerve agent and that Iraq had vast supplies (Saddam used it on people too). In addition, I think it was the Polish troops that found it sometime last year. Granted, the AP and the press in general pretty much sat on the story. Kind of like the French missiles manufactured in 2001, that were designed to be able to disperse chemical weapons, also found by the "armed weapons inspectors". What more do we need to find to call it a WMD?

[dbmasters]

I forgot about that eugene, you're right, it was one of those things I found on some rogue web site or something and forgot about cuz it never hit the mainstream media...if our mainstream media didn't hate America so much we may have all heard about it.

[Herbster]

We are reacting to reactions against reactions against reactions... Fruitless loops. Fruit Loops. Nutzo.

Terrorism and WMDs aren't the root problem. They are false solutions created by those who, understandably, resent our interference. Do our misdeeds justify 9/11? Hell no! I'm reminded of Pulp Fiction. "And I will strike down upon thee with GREAT vengeance and FU-U-U-URIOUS anger, those who attempt to poison, and destroy my brothers!". Done.

The root problem is our dependence on foreign oil. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors' natural resources. Arm chair generals have my permission to get off their fat arses and march down to their local recruiting center. I'm not interested in their silly games.

Here's a conservative viewpoint for you:
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."

President Dwight D. Eisenhower
April 16, 1953


To date, we've indebted our grandchildren to the tune of over $126,000,000,000.
For slightly more - and we will exceed the amount before this adventure is concluded - we could have left them with clean, renewable, domestically generated biodiesel (http://www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/article_alge.html) in sufficient quantity to replace our dependence on a rapidly deminishing finite resource.

But that would be a new game. Those who control the old game cherish their power and have demonstrated they will fight to the death to retain it - with your childrens' lives.

One thing is for sure, whoever wins this public embarassment, what we can't expect is true leadership.

[dbmasters]

I disagree...in places, but not as a whole.

I do believe that the "war for oil" mantra is an easy justification for hating the US and crying about what is going on. While it's does make for an easy target, I personally have a hard time believing it's the bigger issue as to why we went to war. And I still say, regardless of the reasons, the US forces (and those with us) have ousted two version ruthless and oppressive governments that I am glad to see gone. And for that I think they deserve some credit.

As far as the debt goes, I have to agree, that sucks, and it also sucks that half the nations on earth are also indebted to the US.

What IS a public embarassment is all these damn leftie liberals bitching and moaning and crying about how horrible this war is when standing together for the good of the whole and the morale of our forces in this time of struggle whether you agree with it or not. And the media monster actually encouraging it.

[dbmasters]

http://www.scaryjohnkerry.com/

[Herbster]

The man is entertaining. :blink:

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we," Bush said. "They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/20...5-bushism_x.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-08-05-bushism_x.htm)

[eugene]

Originally posted by Herbster@Aug 13 2004, 03:14 PM
The man is entertaining. :blink:

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we," Bush said. "They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/20...5-bushism_x.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-08-05-bushism_x.htm)
Herbster-
The quote is from the signing of the $417 billion DoD Appropriations Act of 2005. It makes sense in context, apparently something that the news media in general didn't expect.
The appropriations are to be used to protect our nation (defense) against new threats, i.e. those that way never really considered before. When your enemies spend their time thinking up new ways to harm you (like hijacking planes and ramming them into buildings), you need to have people anticipating such possiblities and taking steps to prevent them.

-Eugene

[Herbster]

Thanks eugene, but I sincerely doubt our enemies spent $417 billion to come up with their battle plan. Our military is tech (and $$$) obsessed. It failed them in Vietnam and it will fail in fighting terroism where less is more. A think tank composed of convicted hackers and industrial sabatours would be a good start and it wouldn't cost a fortune. We won't be able to spend our way out of this problem.

[dbmasters]

We oculd kick their asses if PC would allow it. But the US tries not to hurt innocents and such, so it's harder, it's not like our enemy cares about that.

While I would think it a shame to go in and just obbliterate the entire country or area fto get a bunch of rogue militant terrorists...oh, wait their are called insurgents now aren't they...then both wars so far would have lasted a day...

Damn us for trying to be nice about it...

[Herbster]

That's just it. That's how we tend to think. Mega-force from mega-bucks. But it won't solve the problem.

If I was a terrorist, I wouldn't be hanging out with my buddies. We would be well dispersed. You'd have to blow up the entire planet to get all of us. Mega-force isn't going to work.

We need to be able to think like the enemy.